CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering Heaven?
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CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering Heaven? - 11/19/2009 6:47:09 PM
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Walker311
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I know this is a crazy thought and question. I already know what many of your think.
Most Christians will make every effort to not sin. However, we all know what we wrestle with.
All of the people in these scenarios are Christians, committed certain sins, then died immediately.
You committed adultery
You watched a XXX porn movie
You molested a child
You stole a very expensive item
You told a blatant lie
You are a fornicator
You murdered you wife's lover
You sold drugs to minors to make money
You have never told anyone anywhere that you were a Christian
Which one will God ok and then you can enter heaven?
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/19/2009 7:22:01 PM
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Well, theoretically, none of them would bar the Christian from heaven if one believes in eternal salvation. Once you're "saved", you're "saved"...right?
Or is this not a true statement?
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/19/2009 7:36:42 PM
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MrFribbles
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quote:
You committed adultery
You watched a XXX porn movie
You molested a child
You stole a very expensive item
You told a blatant lie
You are a fornicator
You murdered you wife's lover
You sold drugs to minors to make money
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Which one will God ok and then you can enter heaven?
Well, I wouldn't say that God "ok"s sins, in the sense of being, "Hey, don't sweat it, no big deal." He died for that sin, so I would say He takes it pretty seriously. But He would say, "This sin has been paid for."
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You have never told anyone anywhere that you were a Christian
It depends on why you did this, and how long it went on. Like, wild scenario, you crashland on a desert island with a Bible, convert to Christianity from reading said Bible, and just never get a chance before you die - not a problem.
But if you became a Christian and went weeks, months, years, with ample time and oppertunity to tell someone, and you never did? I would say you were never a Christian to begin with. Romans 10:9-10 says that if you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth, implying that an outward expression in needed as well.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/19/2009 7:51:15 PM
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Walker311
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Amazing! A fellow Christian I work with died this week in a motorcycle accident. I wondered if he had a sin or sins that he neglected to deal with.
So far, you folks are saying this list cannot prevent a Christian from eternal life.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/19/2009 7:59:17 PM
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I once heard a Pastor say that most people look at sin as what they see on the 6 o'clock news. It's more like what Oswald Chambers said: "Sin is not wrong doing, it is wrong being"- the doing, is just the result of where your heart was already. Christ died for sin-period. not just "special sins".
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/19/2009 8:02:18 PM
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I believe the only thing that will keep you out of heaven is never crying out to the Redeemer asking for his forgiveness and salvation.
I have been saved for a long time but still I sin every day and will until I leave this world. I try to live in a way pleasing to God but still I fall short. I live in a sinful body that one day my saved soul will be cut free from.Then and only then will I be perfect.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/19/2009 8:49:50 PM
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Walker311
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A priest molesting a naive alter boy or a Christian adult raping his teenage neighbor then kills himself when he is discovered is a reality.
Which one gets to go to heaven?
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/19/2009 8:51:05 PM
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/19/2009 8:59:39 PM
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Walker311
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quote:
ORIGINAL: armydude
God knows, and it's not for us to play with.
I'm dead serious! I knew that guy.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/19/2009 9:06:53 PM
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I believe you. But I've found it much easier to leave the "who gets to heaven" question to God and simply focus on Him.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/19/2009 9:14:27 PM
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quote:
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God knows, and it's not for us to play with.
I'm dead serious! I knew that guy.
Hi Walker~
You may have known the guy, but however you did not know his heart. Only the Lord knows the heart of men and according to His word we are all wicked.
* Jesus said: You being wicked give good gifts to your children....
I know it is hard for our human minds to wrap around, however we do not know what there earlier walk was like that could have caused them to could have been a generational situation.
I say this in sincerity, my SF molested my sisters and myself, yet claimed he was saved at 14, baptized and read his bible daily. So who am I to say it is not possible that God would save him or to question his heart?
Then I have to look at my sin which is not as horrific, but according to His word we all fall short and that no matter what the sin reagardless how great or small we may believe (as humans) it is still sin.
The penalty of sin is death, so whether you are a liar or murder it still equals sin and the penality is the same
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/19/2009 10:00:06 PM
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Jesus' words were clear. "No man comes to the Father, but by me." Knowing this, what are we as Christians doing to improve the odds for those others? But that's another topic for another thread.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/19/2009 10:44:34 PM
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ALL sin prevents one from heaven and communion with God.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/19/2009 10:56:56 PM
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It was this kind of thinking that led me to realize that Christians (yes, even Protestant, evangelical, conservative, "real" Christians) are no different in nature than non-Christians. Some of human nature is beautiful and some is ugly, but personally I don't see anything divine in any person Christian or otherwise. If people were truly reborn and lived divinely, we wouldn't have molesting priests or even Christians who lie or swear once in a while.
I understand there are ways to "reason" around this stumbling block, but this was just my personal experience.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/19/2009 11:41:46 PM
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It is hard for me to comprehend the actions that we sometime do Christian or not.
Reading this list that I made makes me realize that none of us deserve eternal life and none of us would have it if God had not made it so through His son.
Regardless of what I do just before the moment I die, I want my life to reflect Christ just like my co-worker that died this week. I did not have to know him well to know that he was a believer.
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It was this kind of thinking that led me to realize that Christians (yes, even Protestant, evangelical, conservative, "real" Christians) are no different in nature than non-Christians.
This reasoning is flawed because Christ in me changes my nature whereas non-Christians are unconcerned about their nature... they are dead in their sins and unable to do and think right.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/19/2009 11:43:07 PM
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ORIGINAL: lemon_sorbet
It was this kind of thinking that led me to realize that Christians (yes, even Protestant, evangelical, conservative, "real" Christians) are no different in nature than non-Christians. Some of human nature is beautiful and some is ugly,
This I agree with 100%. Christians do not hold a patent on good behaviour or kindness - we exhibit every bit as much of the good, bad, and ugly as the rest of humanity.
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but personally I don't see anything divine in any person Christian or otherwise. If people were truly reborn and lived divinely, we wouldn't have molesting priests or even Christians who lie or swear once in a while.
This I disagree with because I believe the spark of the divine is within all of us, Christian or not. By virtue of being human and made in God's image, we are given many of God's attributes - the ability to love and receive love being first and foremost. We all sense the transcendent, the numinous and we are moved by beauty and goodness - these, to me, are evidence of God somewhere inside of all of us.
People aren't kept out of heaven because of this or that unresolved sin - if that were the case, heaven would be a bit of a lonely place I think. Christ has paid the price for all of our sins past, present, and future, and because of that heaven is open to everyone in the world who will accept God's gift of grace.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/19/2009 11:47:49 PM
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ORIGINAL: Walker311
It is hard for me to comprehend the actions that we sometime do Christian or not.
Reading this list that I made makes me realize that none of us deserve eternal life and none of us would have it if God had not made it so through His son.
Regardless of what I do just before the moment I die, I want my life to reflect Christ just like my co-worker that died this week. I did not have to know him well to know that he was a believer.
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It was this kind of thinking that led me to realize that Christians (yes, even Protestant, evangelical, conservative, "real" Christians) are no different in nature than non-Christians.
This reasoning is flawed because Christ in me changes my nature whereas non-Christians are unconcerned about their nature... they are dead in their sins and unable to do and think right.
I understand where you're coming from because I used to think that way too, but I suppose I'll just say I disagree and leave it at that.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/19/2009 11:56:45 PM
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Walker311
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I understand where you're coming from because I used to think that way too, but I suppose I'll just say I disagree and leave it at that.
Well you make it quite plain that you are not particularly pro-Christian...
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I don't see anything divine in any person Christian or otherwise.
....so you are allowed to not comprehend or understand the regeneration process that changes the nature of believers even though they continue to be imperfect. I not only have to believe in Christ, I must embrace His divinity and absorb His attributes.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/20/2009 12:04:29 AM
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It was this kind of thinking that led me to realize that Christians (yes, even Protestant, evangelical, conservative, "real" Christians) are no different in nature than non-Christians.
This reasoning is flawed because Christ in me changes my nature whereas non-Christians are unconcerned about their nature... they are dead in their sins and unable to do and think right.
Are you talking about Hitler and Stalin here or regular non-Christian people? I know a lot of non-Christians who love their children, are kind, generous, good people - they are not unconcerned about their nature and they are not unable to do or think right. They are, in a sense, already following God because they are doing a lot of the things that make people Christ-like every bit as good as most Christians are and, in some cases, much better. They are missing an understanding of Jesus and of their place in God's plans, but they are not bad people any more than you or I.
I'm not talking about them being "good enough" in a salvational sense, just as a rebuttal to the idea that we are good people and they are bad people. It's time Christians entered a new paradigm and recognized that we are not better than other people and God does not love us because we perform for Him.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/20/2009 12:07:42 AM
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I understand where you're coming from because I used to think that way too, but I suppose I'll just say I disagree and leave it at that.
Well you make it quite plain that you are not particularly pro-Christian...
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I don't see anything divine in any person Christian or otherwise.
....so you are allowed to not comprehend or understand the regeneration process that changes the nature of believers even though they continue to be imperfect. I not only have to believe in Christ, I must embrace His divinity and absorb His attributes.
Being "pro" anything doesn't enter into it. I understand the Christian view; I was a "true" Christian for a good 15 years. It's just interesting to me that I have a different view now, but I can also understand the Christian view as well, that's all. It's interesting to read about different perspectives, particularly on a complex topic like this one.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/20/2009 6:20:10 AM
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walker311 wrote: quote:
All of the people in these scenarios are Christians, committed certain sins, then died immediately.
Which one will God ok and then you can enter heaven?
He will forgive them all. As a Christian, we know that Jesus died for our sins, so we could live. There is no perfect person, we are all sinners, no matter how hard we try, we are still sinners.
And so, Jesus says, Lust not in your mind, as you have already lusted in your heart (not a direct quote), which IMO says that one sin is no worse than another. There is no 'degree' of sin.
If you have accepted him as your personal Lord and Savior, he will forgive you and you will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/20/2009 10:54:17 AM
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Do not be decieved; neither fornicators,nor idolaters, nor adulterers nor effeminate,nor homosexuals not thiefs or the covetous nor drunkards or revilers nor swindlers shall inherit the kingdom of God 1 corinthians 6;9-10
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/22/2009 1:03:10 PM
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1 john 5:16 if anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask and God will for him give life, to those who commit sin not leading to death, there is a sin leading to death, I do not say that he should make request for this.
I think this has to do with faith, like in Hebrew 4:1...."Let us fear..............."
Luke 18:8 When the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?........He is looking for faith.
Romans 5:2 we obtain an introduction - thru faith- into His grace.
Eph 2:8 we are save by grace thru faith.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/22/2009 2:13:15 PM
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Do not be decieved; neither fornicators,nor idolaters, nor adulterers nor effeminate,nor homosexuals not thiefs or the covetous nor drunkards or revilers nor swindlers shall inherit the kingdom of God 1 corinthians 6;9-10
11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
It helps, if you tell the rest, of the story, as Paul Harvey would say...
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