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Get with the program - 11/3/2008 4:38:20 PM   
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Ladies,

I went out with a friend last Friday. I took her to a nice restaurant because I was trying to impress her. I think it is so disrespectful when your date is constantly checking her cell phone for text messages and even has the audacity to answer her phone when we are in the middle of a romantic dinner. This is absolutely unacceptable in my opinion. I wanted to just walk out of the restaurant right there on the spot and make her pay for the entire meal. Ladies, I think you need to educate yourself and be more respectful. I am not going to ask her out on a second date regardless of how beautiful she is. I have decided to move on because I can do better. Thanks for listening.
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RE: Get with the program - 11/3/2008 4:42:44 PM   
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Ladies, I think you need to educate yourself and be more respectful.

Hmmm...it sounds like you're implying most of us are uneducated and don't know how proper dining etiquette . Just because one rude dinner date was clueless doesn't mean the majority of women are. I personally never answer my cell phone in the middle of a meal, no matter who I'm having dinner or lunch with. Most women I know are the same.

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RE: Get with the program - 11/3/2008 5:44:13 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: karlie

quote:

Ladies, I think you need to educate yourself and be more respectful.

Hmmm...it sounds like you're implying most of us are uneducated and don't know how proper dining etiquette . Just because one rude dinner date was clueless doesn't mean the majority of women are. I personally never answer my cell phone in the middle of a meal, no matter who I'm having dinner or lunch with. Most women I know are the same.

What she said! Sounds to me like you are lumping every woman into the same mold. If that's the case, you probably shouldn't be dating.
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RE: Get with the program - 11/3/2008 6:01:26 PM   
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So let me get this straight. Your saying that I asked the wrong girl out to dinner. Your telling me that most women out there are not as inconsiderate as her. Well, I'm not buying it!!!!!!
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RE: Get with the program - 11/3/2008 6:08:29 PM   
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Your telling me that most women out there are not as inconsiderate as her.

No woman I am closely associated with would be that inconsiderate of a date, be it just a friend or a romantic interest. So yes, I am saying most women aren't rude and considerate of thier dinner or lunch companions. Are there rude and inconsiderate women?? Of course! Just as there are rude and inconsiderate men. But generalizing is unfair to those who aren't, not to mention inaccurate.

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Well, I'm not buying it!!!!!!

That's completely your prerogative.

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RE: Get with the program - 11/3/2008 6:17:48 PM   
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Do you have a question? Because I agree that it sounds as if you're saying all women are like this, and that reeks of bitterness. I know a lot of people who turn their phones off when going on a date; it's just courteous.

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RE: Get with the program - 11/3/2008 8:29:13 PM   
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I agree that it is rude and annoying and uncalled for. My exbf used to do it all the time... he would take calls in the middle of movies, just get right up and leave the movie to take the call. Used to drive me nuts. I hate cell phones quite honestly.

BUT, not all women or men are like that. I personally shut my phone off or put it on vibrate during movies or dinners, etc. I may look at it only to see if it was one of my kids (because they are young and if they are calling me it might be an emergency). Other than that, no way is my phone on or answered if I am with friends, a date, at work, etc. It's just being mature and responsible in my opinion.

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RE: Get with the program - 11/4/2008 3:09:10 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Grace-N-Mercy

Do you have a question?


I think Karlie answered my question. I am confident that all the women on Crosswalk are very courteous.

She sent me a text message right after I dropped her off at her house. She said in the text "Thanks for the dinner, I had a great time." Ummmmm, sorry Jessica, but I had a lousy time.
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RE: Get with the program - 11/4/2008 2:16:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Johnny_

Ladies,

I went out with a friend last Friday. I took her to a nice restaurant because I was trying to impress her. I think it is so disrespectful when your date is constantly checking her cell phone for text messages and even has the audacity to answer her phone when we are in the middle of a romantic dinner. This is absolutely unacceptable in my opinion. I wanted to just walk out of the restaurant right there on the spot and make her pay for the entire meal. Ladies, I think you need to educate yourself and be more respectful. I am not going to ask her out on a second date regardless of how beautiful she is. I have decided to move on because I can do better. Thanks for listening.


1) Don't generalize when I am out on a date I would turn my phone OFF.
2) Maybe she had a reason: close family member or friend was ill and she wanted to have her phone on to know what was happening.
3)All I hear about is her beauty...Beauty helps but it should not be the only thing.

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RE: Get with the program - 11/4/2008 10:31:29 PM   
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She sent me a text message right after I dropped her off at her house. She said in the text "Thanks for the dinner, I had a great time." Ummmmm, sorry Jessica, but I had a lousy time.

I'm wondering if you liked her other than the phone issue? Would it be worth explaining to her how it affected you and giving it another try? She may seriously not be aware of how offended you were. With the way people use their cells these days, It's possible she may not have thought she was doing anything rude. It's true that most people would know better, but some people have to be taught these things, and maybe no one has taken the time. If you think she's worth another try, you can always be honest and tell her you felt disrespected and treated rudely when she kept answering her phone, and that it made you feel like she was uninterested in being there with you. Her reaction could tell you a lot. She may be genuinely sorry and be much more considerate in the future.

Of course if there were other things you didn't like about her, then it's probably not worth the effort!


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RE: Get with the program - 11/4/2008 10:51:24 PM   
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Karlie,

I was so offended by her rudeness that I had already made my decision while we were eating dinner, there would be no second date. I am a really sensitive guy, she hurt my feelings and I want to move on. Thanks for the advice, I really appreciate it.


P.S. This is my conspiracy theory. Maybe she didn't like me in that way so she was trying to give me a hint by being rude. Women, you can't live with them, you can't live without them!!!

< Message edited by Johnny_ -- 11/5/2008 1:27:14 AM >
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RE: Get with the program - 11/4/2008 11:58:01 PM   
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She thanked you for the dinner via text after you dropped her off? That's unbelievable. I agree that she is lacking in courtesy and not worthy of another date.


I also agree with the other ladies who have responded that most of us are not like that ... I personally would only leave my cell phone on if I was expecting a call from my son, and would definitely have made mention ahead of time.

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RE: Get with the program - 11/5/2008 9:50:22 PM   
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Honestly, if it's a 'friend' it's not a 'romantic dinner' and if it's a 'romantic dinner' it's not a 'friend.' Romance is nice but a lot of people consider the first date to be getting to know you.

Some people are addicted to their gadgets. This isn't only a female thing. I've been with men with PDAs or laptops surgically connected to their bodies. I'm not making an excuse for her either...it's just rude to make someone wait while you converse/text/chat/surf with others...but answering one call while at a casual dinner date with a friend would not be the end of the world. It's the 10 calls after that.

It's better to know this now. Really. And don't blame all women. Some people have difficulty drawing the line between entertaining themselves and being polite.

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RE: Get with the program - 11/6/2008 11:15:02 AM   
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I agree with Auben, you took out a "friend." That was not a romantic dinner.

And, as a woman who doesn't even OWN a cell phone, to your ridiculous generalization.

quote:

I am not going to ask her out on a second date regardless of how beautiful she is.


It sounds like things were pretty superficial on your part anyways, so not asking her out again is the best thing for both of you.
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RE: Get with the program - 11/6/2008 5:15:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Auben

Honestly, if it's a 'friend' it's not a 'romantic dinner' and if it's a 'romantic dinner' it's not a 'friend.' Romance is nice but a lot of people consider the first date to be getting to know you.

Some people are addicted to their gadgets. This isn't only a female thing. I've been with men with PDAs or laptops surgically connected to their bodies. I'm not making an excuse for her either...it's just rude to make someone wait while you converse/text/chat/surf with others...but answering one call while at a casual dinner date with a friend would not be the end of the world. It's the 10 calls after that.

It's better to know this now. Really. And don't blame all women. Some people have difficulty drawing the line between entertaining themselves and being polite.


I agree. I think perhaps she didn't see it as rude. There are plenty of annoying things my friends do that I think is rude, but then I realize what I see as rude isn't necessarily the same for them.

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RE: Get with the program - 11/6/2008 6:38:22 PM   
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Dear women of Crosswalk,

I got the point. Comments such as "Don't generalize you moron!" is no longer necessary. I will not generalize anymore.

Anyways, changing the subject. Do you think it is possible for a guy and a girl to be just friends? My answer is no. I think sooner or later, one of you will develope feelings for another.

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RE: Get with the program - 11/7/2008 7:58:00 AM   
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Men and women can indeed be just friends ... I have many guy friends. Always have. And I don't have any romantic feelings towards them whatsoever. I truly believe we have the choice to decide how we choose to see a person of the opposite gender. Not everyone is looking for a mate, and not everyone views others as potential romantic interests. If that's a problem, it's a heart issue that needs to be addressed.

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RE: Get with the program - 11/7/2008 11:03:23 AM   
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Yes, I think they can.

I think it's harder when you're still looking for a mate, but it's still possible before and after you're married.

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RE: Get with the program - 11/7/2008 5:49:37 PM   
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I know, I know, you're not generalizing... But let me just say that I personally do NOT answer my phone or even have it turned on if someone is treating me to dinner. I agree, it's rude.

My question to you though is this: Since you were so upset by her behavior did you voice that to her during the dinner? She might have had a reason why she was checking her phone but you wouldn't have known that unless you asked. She very well could have been rude for doing that but I'd venture to say that you're just as rude for not making it clear to her, in a nice manner, that you didn't approve of her cell phone use.

People don't know what upsets you unless you tell them. Shoot, how old is she? If she's a bit younger she might not view her behavior as rude. I see people texting in church all the time on a sunday morning, they havn't figured out yet that theres a time and a place...

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RE: Get with the program - 11/7/2008 11:56:32 PM   
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funny, I went on a date one time when the guy answered his phone and started talking about how the date was going with whoever was on the other end of the phone! I was setting right there in teh truck. That was only one of the minor things that happened on the date though, I never met him again!
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RE: Get with the program - 11/10/2008 3:35:08 PM   
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The majority of my friends, since childhood, have always been men.

My closest, bestest friends, are men. Going on ten years with both of them, now. Never had any feelings for them, and vice versa.

Men and women aren't automatically interested/attracted to each other simply because they have compatible body parts. Reducing us to, well, base/instinctual animals tends to be where a lot of Christians go wrong, in opposite gender relationships (of all sorts).
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RE: Get with the program - 11/10/2008 10:38:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Johnny_

Dear women of Crosswalk,

I got the point. Comments such as "Don't generalize you moron!" is no longer necessary. I will not generalize anymore.
Uhm . . . Noone in this thread called you a moron. In addition to not generalizing, it's also a good idea to not add words (especially inflammatory language) to people's posts when you're quoting them. It doesn't help the conversation at all.




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ORIGINAL: Johnny_

So let me get this straight. Your saying that I asked the wrong girl out to dinner. Your telling me that most women out there are not as inconsiderate as her. Well, I'm not buying it!!!!!!
Oh, and THIS post that I've just quoted is supposed to be respectful??!! If being respected is one of your preferences, perhaps you might also want to show a modicum of respect as well. If a guy is very nice / respectful of me only - and then disrespectful to other people, that essentially becomes a double negative (or, in other words, someone of whom I would not be interested in dating).

By the above quote, you have essentially called the women in this folder a bunch of liars. THAT is definitely not at all respectful; not on any level at all.




quote:

ORIGINAL: Johnny_

Anyways, changing the subject. Do you think it is possible for a guy and a girl to be just friends? My answer is no. I think sooner or later, one of you will develope feelings for another.
If your answer is no, then why, in your OP, do you refer to the woman as your friend?



Incidentally, I personally do not answer my phone at all when I'm out with anyone; regardless of whether it's a man or a woman and regardless of whether it's a romantic date or a platonic get-together. I also realize that some people will answer their phones from certain people - and will have valid reasons for doing so (family emergencies, etc.).

And yes, I do consider what you have described in the OP (of the woman's actions) to be rude (and to be vastly different of the qualifier I gave in the above paragraph).

And, I agree with what some of the posters have said regarding having a conversation with her about this . . . a calm, rational conversation in which you explain to her how it made you feel for her to be on her phone during the date (a conversation devoid of hostility and ultimatums). Basically, both of you have a choice in this. She can choose to discontinue the conversations when she's with you . . . or she can choose to not change anything. Your choice in all of this revolves around whether you want to accept her behavior or not.


And yes, I do think that some men and some women can just be friends and no more. Not all men; not all women. Some. But, in order for that to work, both the man and the woman of any friendship are both going to have to believe that.

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RE: Get with the program - 11/11/2008 12:54:30 AM   
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I'm gonna share a joke, you don't have to laugh. If its not funny, then its not funny. But I personally think it is. Why am I telling this joke? I really have no idea, just thought I'd share it.

Why did the chicken cross the road?

To prove to the possum it could actually be done!

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RE: Get with the program - 11/11/2008 11:49:44 PM   
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I have a question:

Do you think it is OK for a Christian man to date a non-Christian woman? Here is my answer. I personally would not recommend it but I don't think it is unbiblical to date a non-Christian woman. Just to clarify, I am asking about dating and not marriage. What do you think?
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RE: Get with the program - 11/11/2008 11:56:39 PM   
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Something about being unequally yolked comes to mind. Why would you date her if you have no intention of marrying her?

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