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demonstrating the Power of the Word - 10/21/2008 1:51:23 PM
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FrostySlim
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If i preach the Word before the people i have been assigned to accurately and in Truth, but do not give place for the Power of God to move in what i was preaching about, i only make people more religious. Jesus taught the Word and demonstrated the Power everywhere he went.
The Power and demonstration of the Spirit convinces.
what are your thoughts on this?
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RE: demonstrating the Power of the Word - 10/21/2008 3:13:36 PM
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i like the part of the Lords prayer where he said"Thy will be done on earth!"and it's my understanding that the word amen means: so be it.so when Jesus said Amen it was so.
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RE: demonstrating the Power of the Word - 10/23/2008 9:43:54 PM
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We always need to be led by the Spirit of God in us. Jesus ministry didn't started until the Holy Spirit came upon Him!
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RE: demonstrating the Power of the Word - 10/24/2008 6:42:46 AM
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Mar 16:20 And they went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them, and confirmed the word by the signs that followed.
1Co 2:1 And when I came to you, brethren, I did not come with superiority of speech or of wisdom, proclaiming to you the testimony of God.
1Co 2:2 For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.
1Co 2:3 I was with you in weakness and in fear and in much trembling,
1Co 2:4 and my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
1Co 2:5 so that your faith would not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God.
It would seem the demonstration of the Power of the Holy Spirit was considered the proper way to present the gospel message.
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RE: demonstrating the Power of the Word - 10/24/2008 8:21:27 AM
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The Holy Spirit has to empower the message. It is the Holy Spirit that convicts the heart of man of sin, that cuts through with His Word as a sharp sword through butter.
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RE: demonstrating the Power of the Word - 10/25/2008 5:07:00 AM
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If i preach the Word before the people i have been assigned to accurately and in Truth, but do not give place for the Power of God to move in what i was preaching about, i only make people more religious. Jesus taught the Word and demonstrated the Power everywhere he went.
The Power and demonstration of the Spirit convinces.
what are your thoughts on this?
This is what the Apostle Paul was talking about in I Cor 2. It was not his words, his eloquence, or even his own wisdom that ultimately made the difference. It was the power of God. I think 'your thought' is right on. We do not need more religious people. We need people in love with Jesus. 
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RE: demonstrating the Power of the Word - 10/28/2008 6:22:02 AM
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The Power and demonstration of the Spirit convinces.
God can manifest His greatness through every servant who simply shows up and does what needs doing day after day, unnoticed by men, but applauded by God. Brother Laurence was a dish washer who "practiced the presence of God" hundreds of years ago, but he though dead yet speaketh. His testimony continues to draw men to the Master he served as he scoured out kettles.
OTOH -- the Todd Bentley event "demonstrated" some kind of "power." And it was spectacular -- until the wheels came off his marriage. I am unaware of the impact this event had on the surrounding community, though. Were the neighbors convinced of God's power and goodness? Or just grimly amused at the gullibility of the Christian spectators who poured in from across the country?
Just wondering ...
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RE: demonstrating the Power of the Word - 11/22/2008 2:26:13 PM
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I spent 19 years praying and studying before moving out by the Holy spirit and His anointing. As an evangelist, God blessed with the revival Spirit. The problem is that to many 'pastors' cannot handle such a 'move' coming through someone else other than themselves. They sorta like to corner the market and feel threatenned if someone else comes waltzing in with the power of God on display.
Herein lies the problem of exalting one man in a group as soul leader, no pun intended.
Envy hits everyone now and then. It's what you do with it. It must be resisted.
I used to go out to preach meetings praying 'God please don't anoint me to much lest the pastor of the church gets jealous.'
THa'ts sad. But that's the way things are.
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RE: demonstrating the Power of the Word - 11/22/2008 2:30:21 PM
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The Power and demonstration of the Spirit convinces.
What is your definition of power and demonstration of the Spirit.
Does God's saving Grace, and changed lives count?
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RE: demonstrating the Power of the Word - 11/22/2008 2:40:51 PM
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As a former pastor I do not blame anyone for not allowing just anyone to "waltz" in and preach from the pulpit to the congregation.
Too many false teachers and false prophets seeking to make merchandise of the flock and feed their ego.
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RE: demonstrating the Power of the Word - 11/22/2008 2:51:34 PM
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As a former pastor I do not blame anyone for not allowing just anyone to "waltz" in and preach from the pulpit to the congregation.
Too many false teachers and false prophets seeking to make merchandise of the flock and feed their ego.
I am fairly liberal with my pulpit, but I do know the folks and their doctrine before I let them teach the people.
If they get off base; I just stop them and escourt them out the back door. Then I go back in and correct with Scripture what ever heresy had been tried on the congregation.
My folks really appreciate this.
Thanks
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RE: demonstrating the Power of the Word - 11/22/2008 2:54:06 PM
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As a former pastor I do not blame anyone for not allowing just anyone to "waltz" in and preach from the pulpit to the congregation.
Too many false teachers and false prophets seeking to make merchandise of the flock and feed their ego.
Thank You!!!
To equate a pastor being selective of who takes his pulpit and teaches the sheep God gave him with just being fearful that someone else will be better at it than he is seems extremely prideful on the part of the one making that equation.
A Shepherd who would turn over his pulpit to any Tom, Dick, or Harry who says he's anointed to preach would be considered reckless and a danger to his flock.
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RE: demonstrating the Power of the Word - 11/22/2008 2:58:49 PM
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Earthless, let me try to clearify. I would hold a meeting and the blessings were awesome. The pastor would yeild to envy. I would not be invited back. The people themselves received me with love but the leaders...not so much. And yes to your next question. I humbled myself before these men. I showed them respect. I conducted myself with great care. No forwardness on my part. Again this exposes the fallacy of the 2 class system, the big I and the little yous.
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RE: demonstrating the Power of the Word - 11/22/2008 3:05:51 PM
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Earthless, let me try to clearify. I would hold a meeting and the blessings were awesome. The pastor would yeild to envy. I would not be invited back. The people themselves received me with love but the leaders...not so much. And yes to your next question. I humbled myself before these men. I showed them respect. I conducted myself with great care. No forwardness on my part. Again this exposes the fallacy of the 2 class system, the big I and the little yous.
Rolling, again you assume things that are not evident.
Why would a Pastor have envy because his flock was blessed. I know that I would rejoice and all the Pastor's I know would do the same.
May I humbly suggest that you change the Churches you are frequenting.
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RE: demonstrating the Power of the Word - 11/22/2008 3:17:46 PM
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Earthless, let me try to clearify. I would hold a meeting and the blessings were awesome. The pastor would yeild to envy. I would not be invited back. The people themselves received me with love but the leaders...not so much. And yes to your next question. I humbled myself before these men. I showed them respect. I conducted myself with great care. No forwardness on my part. Again this exposes the fallacy of the 2 class system, the big I and the little yous.
Sounds like sour grapes on your part and you are judging the pastors' hearts by accusing them of envy. You don't know that is true. Maybe it was you and your teaching they didn't approve of because it was off.
15 "looking carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled." -Hebrews 12
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RE: demonstrating the Power of the Word - 11/22/2008 4:22:51 PM
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As a former pastor I do not blame anyone for not allowing just anyone to "waltz" in and preach from the pulpit to the congregation.
Too many false teachers and false prophets seeking to make merchandise of the flock and feed their ego.
I am fairly liberal with my pulpit, but I do know the folks and their doctrine before I let them teach the people.
If they get off base; I just stop them and escourt them out the back door. Then I go back in and correct with Scripture what ever heresy had been tried on the congregation.
My folks really appreciate this.
Thanks
RC
Another thing we fully agree on.
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RE: demonstrating the Power of the Word - 11/22/2008 5:14:59 PM
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Hello FrostySlim
I have heard many sermons that were nothing more than essays on the Christian faith. It was like someone learning the ins and outs of football by a computer program. Then he is a commentator who knows nothing of actually playing the game. He has knowledge but no authority. One of the best of tha authentic commentators is John Madden.
Now when the Holy Spirit shows preachers the truth, they have an authority. Most of the time your best preachers have been overhauled by the Spirit of God as well. They then speak with authority. Their words are authentic and not just a treatise on words from the Bible.
Both of us are preaching under the anointing. They are the only one's I listen to. As a brother once said, "If I'm not anointed to preach, all I do is flap."
So, make sure you get under the glory of God and speak from there.
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RE: demonstrating the Power of the Word - 11/23/2008 5:19:00 PM
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RE: demonstrating the Power of the Word - 12/2/2008 6:18:27 PM
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FrostySlim,
Excellent statement. We should be proclaiming the Gospel with Signs and Wonders. End of story.
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RE: demonstrating the Power of the Word - 12/2/2008 6:24:48 PM
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FrostySlim,
Excellent statement. We should be proclaiming the Gospel with Signs and Wonders. End of story.
First, it is important to recognize that this is not a question of whether God still performs miracles today.
It would be foolish and unbiblical to claim that God does not heal people, speak to people, and perform miraculous signs and wonders today.
The question is whether the miraculous gifts of the Spirit, described primarily in 1 Corinthians chapters 12-14, are still active in the church today.
This is also not a question of "can" the Holy Spirit give someone a miraculous gift. The question is "does" the Holy Spirit still dispense the miraculous gifts today.
Above all else, I entirely recognize that the Holy Spirit is free to dispense gifts according to His will (1 Corinthians 12:7-11).
In the book of Acts and the Epistles, the vast majority of miracles are performed by the apostles and their close associates.
2 Corinthians 12:12 gives us the reason why, "The things that mark an apostle — signs, wonders and miracles — were done among you with great perseverance."
If every believer in Christ was equipped with the ability to perform signs, wonders, and miracles - signs, wonders, and miracles could in no way be the identifying marks of an apostle.
Acts 2:22 tells us that Jesus was "accredited" by "miracles, wonders, and signs." Similarly were the apostles "marked" as genuine messengers from God by the miracles they performed. Acts 14:3 describes the Gospel message being "confirmed" by the miracles Paul and Barnabas performed.
1 Corinthians chapters 12-14 deal primarily with the subject of the gifts of the Spirit. It seems from that text that "ordinary" Christians were sometimes given miraculous gifts (12:8-10; 28-30).
We are not told how commonplace this was. From what we learned above, that the apostles were "marked" by signs and wonders, it would seem that miraculous gifts being given to "ordinary" Christians was the exception, not the rule.
Outside of the apostles and their close associates, the New Testament nowhere specifically describes individuals exercising the miraculous gifts of the Spirit.
It is also important to realize that the early church did not have the completed Bible, as we do today (2 Timothy 3:16-17).
Therefore, the gifts of prophecy, knowledge, wisdom, etc. were necessary in order for the early Christians to know what God would have them to do.
The gift of prophecy enabled believers to communicate new truth and revelation from God. Now that God’s revelation is complete in the Bible, the "revelatory" gifts are no longer needed, at least not in the same capacity as they were in the New Testament.
God miraculously heals people every day. God still speaks to us today, whether in an audible voice, whether in our minds, or whether through impressions and feelings.
God still does amazing miracles, signs, and wonders - and sometimes performs those miracles through a Christian.
However, what was just described are not necessarily the miraculous gifts of the Spirit. The primary purpose of the miraculous gifts was to prove that the Gospel was true and that the apostles were truly God’s messengers.
The Bible does not say outright that the miraculous gifts have ceased, but it does lay the foundation for why they might no longer be necessary.
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RE: demonstrating the Power of the Word - 12/2/2008 8:41:22 PM
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I believe that God is the same in the past, present and future. He heals today just like he did in the past.
I choose to believe Mark 16, the end of Matthew, and what John records Jesus saying greater works will you do than me.
Clearly he is talking about signs and wonders. These are just a few places it talks about believers moving in sign and wonders.
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RE: demonstrating the Power of the Word - 12/3/2008 9:24:02 AM
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Clearly He was speaking to His disciples primarily. We can see in the New Testament how as the time went on in their ministries, the signs and wonders started to decrease because they were for a specific purpose and time.
Context, context, context.
Our focus ought to be Jesus Christ, to mature in His Word, in our walk with Him and to preach and live the Gospel to all of mankind.
Not the seeking of and obsession with signs, wonders, demonic possession, etc..
If we focus on the things we ought to - all else will fall into place as His will determines.
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RE: demonstrating the Power of the Word - 12/3/2008 11:35:30 AM
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I wasn't just 'anyone waltzing in'. I talked with the 'pastor', prayed over the situation, God led me to their door. Please do not condemn me before hearing the facts. Whew!! The anointing was present. The presence of God manefest in wonderful ways. The 'pastor' about fell off his exalted podium in jealousy. The people responded with gratitude. The 'pastors' all ran like scalded cats. Of course I cannot convince you that my intentions were honorable and in line with the word. Only God can reveal that to you. Called discernment.
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RE: demonstrating the Power of the Word - 12/3/2008 12:32:13 PM
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You're so awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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RE: demonstrating the Power of the Word - 12/3/2008 3:50:11 PM
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Yea boy.
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