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RE: The Potty Training Thread - 3/28/2007 8:35:37 PM
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SarahsDaughter
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Our method with our 3 eldest was to start each of them around 18 months. I picked a day and started the day by putting them on the potty every 20 - 30 minutes to see if they needed to tinkle. Once they did that first tinkle I could wait a little longer than 20 minutes in anticipation of the next one. Within a few days they had the hang of it and in less than two weeks they were fully potty trained. An important part of potty training for us was no longer using diapers once potty training had begun.
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RE: The Potty Training Thread - 3/29/2007 12:02:22 AM
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I tried last summer to start potty training with my eldest. He was just over 2 at the time. He was dry and clean for a week and then we had a busy weekend with grandparent visits and whatnot. He absolutely refused to go at his grandmother's house. After that, he decided going potty was a battle he was willing to fight.
I wasn't.
So, I backed off. I tried again a couple of months later and he resisted strongly again. So I told him that fine he can wear a diaper and any time he wanted to go to the potty he could but that when he turned three he would be wearing underwear.
It worked with him. On his third birthday he woke up, took his diaper off and put on his brand new Wiggles underwear.
He had a few accidents when he would get distracted and wait too long but that didn't last very long. I put him in the Goodnights for a couple of weeks. But, after the first three nights he started waking up dry. After a week and a half of waking up dry it's been nothing but undies ever since.
My youngest is 2 now and he goes potty before bath and before bed and sometimes in the morning when he gets up. Every now and then he'll go when his brother does. Other than that he isn't interested.
Wow, sorry this was so long...
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RE: The Potty Training Thread - 3/29/2007 12:48:32 AM
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Sarahs daughter you said you no longer used nappies once you began training but about what naptimes and if you were going out somewhere that toilets weren't easily accessible?
I put Grace in a nappy for nap time and bed time and she wears one when we go supermarket shopping too, I guess she isn't that good with the knickers yet though so I do think it's important to keep her in a nappy for those times when a toilet is not so near.
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RE: The Potty Training Thread - 3/29/2007 3:07:15 AM
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I tried last summer to start potty training with my eldest. He was just over 2 at the time. He was dry and clean for a week and then we had a busy weekend with grandparent visits and whatnot. He absolutely refused to go at his grandmother's house. After that, he decided going potty was a battle he was willing to fight.
I wasn't.
So, I backed off.
I am sure you did the right thing in backing off.
However, just as a piece of advice to anyone who hasn't started potty training yet: it really is a good idea, once wanting to seriously potty train (ie not just a famliarisation with the potty, but going without undies and asking them every 20-30 minutes if they want to go), to pick a time when, for at least two weeks, you are planning to be at home, and if possible having exactly the same routine every day.
I did this, but like nicole I used to put a nappy on them for sleeps and for supermarkets/trips out in the car.
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My youngest is 2 now and he goes potty before bath and before bed and sometimes in the morning when he gets up. Every now and then he'll go when his brother does. Other than that he isn't interested.
Sounds like he is doing great! He's already familiar with the potty, and remembers sometimes what to do - you have laid a great foundation there with him, and I am sure it won't be long before he chooses to go there even more often (especially with the summer coming up).
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RE: The Potty Training Thread - 3/29/2007 3:10:09 AM
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I put Grace in a nappy for nap time and bed time and she wears one when we go supermarket shopping too, I guess she isn't that good with the knickers yet though so I do think it's important to keep her in a nappy for those times when a toilet is not so near.
That's what I did with mine too.
Though eventually I worked out something for the supermarket - that they'd go to the toilet there just as we arrived, then, once in the trolley (cart) I would ask them every time we got to one end of each aisle (the checkout end, where the toilets were) if they wanted to go for a wee.
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RE: The Potty Training Thread - 3/29/2007 8:10:30 AM
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nicole6598
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Good idea manda about taking them when you get to the shops, I am pregnant so I need to go at the moment when we get there anyway!! :)
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RE: The Potty Training Thread - 3/29/2007 9:57:33 AM
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Sorry nicole. I should have clarified. I meant during the day we didn't put them in diapers. At night we would still use a diaper.
I agree with what manda said here. It worked with ours:
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once wanting to seriously potty train (ie not just a famliarisation with the potty, but going without undies and asking them every 20-30 minutes if they want to go), to pick a time when, for at least two weeks, you are planning to be at home, and if possible having exactly the same routine every day.
Picking a time when you can commit to the task at hand is very helpful.
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RE: The Potty Training Thread - 3/29/2007 10:23:53 AM
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They are actually "ready" as soon as they can sit confidently on their own and sit still for a little while.
I totally disagree there. You haven't been down the road I have with this...but I am also not going to fight with you over that
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It's so encouraging to talk to other moms who are at a similar point I am. Sometimes I feel like my child will be the only 3yo not yet potty trained. However, that's my pride talking, I think I'm more concerned about what other moms will think of me if my child is not perceived as "advanced" as he should be. Ah, well, no one stays in diapers forever, right? It'll happen!
Do not let others put you down for what you do and not do with your kids. The potty issues is one that we have fought with our oldest for years...he is autistic and life is hard for him because he doesn't deal well with change, something we as a military family can not stop from having. Every time things change this issue comes back up. It's very disheartening when I get on here and hear in every other post that I just didn't familiarize him with the potty early enough or that I didn't start things early enough or that I wasn't persistent enough or how wrong it is to wait until they are ready. No one else here knows all the struggles we have gone through with this issue and to constantly tell people those things I think is wrong. Not ever child is the same, not every family is the same, and you can't lump everyone in together. Listen to your own child in how they act/react to things. Look at your own life (schedule, upcoming events, etc) and see if should or should not be a road gone down at this time. Waiting until they are truly ready and not pushing it on them will save you a lot of heartache...believe me. If others can't see that then don't listen to their advice.
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RE: The Potty Training Thread - 3/29/2007 10:53:47 AM
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dustinsdreamer
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However, just as a piece of advice to anyone who hasn't started potty training yet: it really is a good idea, once wanting to seriously potty train (ie not just a famliarisation with the potty, but going without undies and asking them every 20-30 minutes if they want to go), to pick a time when, for at least two weeks, you are planning to be at home, and if possible having exactly the same routine every day.
Yep, very good advice. When I started last summer this crazy weekend was not in our radar and I thought I had at least three weeks of the same old routine of being at home. As it happened, stuff came up. But oh well.
Thanks for the encouragement Manda. I believe he'll take off on his own when he is ready. Of course, I hope he gets ready soon.  But I'm not rushing him.
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RE: The Potty Training Thread - 3/29/2007 11:10:18 AM
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I agree with Sarah. I have had a child who had lots of problems with potty training (accidents on a regular basis until he was about 7). We started him early, too. It was an awful time. My older dd was just over 2 when she was "ready." I wasn't going to start that early with her, but she was showing all the signs of readiness. Once we started potty training her, it took about 3 days. No diapers at night or during the day. She was done. I was very surprised that it was so easy and painless. Not every child is like that, though.
Currently, my little one is almost 3 and not potty trained. There are a lot of reasons that we are waiting right now with her. Life situation, her maturity level (physically), etc. would make training right now really stressful. It is not a contest to see how early you can train them. I think it is important to consider your child's temperment, their physical abilities, verbal abilities, your life situation, etc. when you are thinking about training.
One of the girls that I babysit was almost 4 when she finally decided to go on the potty.
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RE: The Potty Training Thread - 3/29/2007 11:46:54 AM
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They are actually "ready" as soon as they can sit confidently on their own and sit still for a little while.
I totally disagree there. You haven't been down the road I have with this...but I am also not going to fight with you over that
"Ready" means ready to start - whether it takes a couple of weeks, a couple of months, or a few years. It means just 'ready' to sit there and see what happens, with it not mattering at all if nothing does. I don't really understand why you'd disagree with that.
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Waiting until they are truly ready and not pushing it on them will save you a lot of heartache...believe me. If others can't see that then don't listen to their advice.
Encouraging, or putting them in the position where they can go if they want to (and not minding if they don't, is not pushing.
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RE: The Potty Training Thread - 3/29/2007 3:39:02 PM
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My potty song is not nearly so (conventionally) cute...
Think dance tunes... 'potty' just sounds way too much like 'party'.
(To the not-really-a-tune of 'We like to party')
We like to potty - potty
We like to potty - potty
We like to potty - potty
We like to... POTTY!
(To the tune of 'I'm a Baribe girl' - I'm almost embarassed to post that the tune is even in my head!)
I'm a potty girl
In a potty world
I like panties
They're fantastic
Come on darlin', let's go potty
Oh - oh, yeah - yeah
On the other topic, I put plastic pants over her panties for trips out. We went very frequently, even while we were out. I found that she got too mixed up remembering when it was OK to go or not go. At this stage, we don't any more because she is good at not wetting now, even when we go out - but I still have an emergency outfit in the car. I recently started the plastic pants for naps, which is working great. Night time she is still in a diaper.
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RE: The Potty Training Thread - 3/29/2007 5:04:07 PM
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Not all kids are willing to sit still, so sitting them on the potty really is pushing. Had I insisted Peyton sit on the potty at any point in time, with any distraction, he would quickly have rejected the seat entirely. The pushing is not in demanding that something happen, it's in the insistence on the association.
Manda, I'm not entirely sure what books you think I'm reading to my child. All the books we have are very simple...This is the potty....this is what the potty is for....potty is fun!...etc... For Peyton it was a way to get him used to the terms and ideas without him actually having to sit which really bothered him.
Lol about the songs, I LOVE that idea! For awhile we did the conga tune with Peyton:
Peyton's on the pot-TY
Petyon's on the pot-TY
He got to "dance" on the potty which kept him interested for awhile.
Anyone use the cheerio method for boys? It's always seemed weird to me to take something edible (or not normally for the potty) and use that. I mean I'm trying to teach Peyton things DON'T go in the potty.
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RE: The Potty Training Thread - 3/29/2007 5:27:52 PM
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manda59
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Not all kids are willing to sit still, so sitting them on the potty really is pushing.
This is what I said:
"They are actually "ready" as soon as they can sit confidently on their own and sit still for a little while."
So, if they're not, they're not ready.
However, dramagirl, does Peyton not already sit down while he has his face washed or teeth cleaned? Many children do, and if so, it can be quite natural for them just to happen to sit on the potty to have this done. Does he sit down to watch a DVD? Again, the potty can be substituted for a seat. You might like to try this with your younger one.
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The pushing is not in demanding that something happen, it's in the insistence on the association.
Sorry, I don't understand what you mean there (the second part) - could you clarify for me?
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Manda, I'm not entirely sure what books you think I'm reading to my child. All the books we have are very simple...This is the potty....this is what the potty is for....potty is fun!...etc... For Peyton it was a way to get him used to the terms and ideas without him actually having to sit which really bothered him.
For my children, I didn't want them thinking that the potty was that important to me/us. They're both strong-willed, and I knew that if they twigged that I really wanted them to do this, they might either not co-operate, or hold on to their urine or faeces. So we didn't talk about the potty, only used the words when either of them was actually on it or brought up the subject themselves. And even then I didn't act as if I was that bothered. That way they felt they were in control and making their own choices.
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RE: The Potty Training Thread - 3/29/2007 6:18:18 PM
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Manda, I think we're discussing the same thing, just in different methods. The disconnect is in how the child sees the potty. Peyton got it right away that something happens on the potty, so he decided he was gonna decided when that something happened or didn't, so sitting him on the potty was asking him to go. For your children, the potty was just another seat, so sitting them there for a DVD or tooth brushing was fine, although at some point they did connect that the potty was for something specific, and began to use it as such. For me, not pushing is just waiting for Peyton to decide he wants to go potty, and reading the books in a completely unrelated setting to present the idea. For you, not pushing was just letting them sit on the potty, and whatever happened happened, no big deal.
I also want to say, Peyton sits for 1) eating and 2) car rides and 3) books. In the car or to eat, the only thing keeping him there is the straps. Reading books on my lap is the only time he voluntarily sits still. Totally not exaagerating! 
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The pushing is not in demanding that something happen, it's in the insistence on the association.
Sorry, I don't understand what you mean there (the second part) - could you clarify for me?
Lol, sorry, that really wasn't clear, was it? I meant that to Peyton, pushing him is insisting that he "associate" with the potty, or IOW, have anything to do with it.
I am thinking with Tyson, using your methods will probably work really well. I just feel a little hesitant to push it with him, if his big brother isn't using it. With Peyton, I'm at a total loss. 
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RE: The Potty Training Thread - 3/29/2007 6:23:16 PM
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Gosh, I've trained about a hundred kids - 2 boys and a girl last month (23 mos, 19 mos and 24 mos.) and one more next week (19 mos.) - and I *mostly* agree with Manda. The big difference that I notice is that I do NOT let them sit in the bathroom on the toilet until they are "big enough", ie, ready to begin training. I also do not agree with having the potty chair carted all around the house.
So, if I write a book on potty training (which I've started about a dozen times but never finished), would you all buy it? :)
Also, something I haven't seen mentioned here that I do is pray with the kids before I start training. Good luck to those of you in the middle of things! It can be pretty crazy!
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RE: The Potty Training Thread - 3/29/2007 6:39:24 PM
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manda59
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Gosh, I've trained about a hundred kids - 2 boys and a girl last month (23 mos, 19 mos and 24 mos.) and one more next week (19 mos.) - and I *mostly* agree with Manda. The big difference that I notice is that I do NOT let them sit in the bathroom on the toilet until they are "big enough", ie, ready to begin training. I also do not agree with having the potty chair carted all around the house.
Clarification here! I am a Brit, and to us a potty is JUST a potty - the plastic thing like the old Victorian chamber pots. It NEVER means the toilet.
My children NEVER sat on the toilet until they were already potty trained (chamber pot trained) and even then only with a plastic trainer seat.
And btw, we didn't cart a little plastic potty all round the house - one was neatly stationed in each room
I did not pray with my children over potty training - main reason being that I never prayed out loud with my children unless they asked (which is another thread entirely!), another reason being that I did not want them to get the message that they might be letting God down if they didn't use the potty. I am not saying that is what you did, just that mine being mine might have got the wrong idea.
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RE: The Potty Training Thread - 3/29/2007 6:51:01 PM
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When Nathaniel started training we had a small potty chair but he very quickly wanted to move to the big potty. I never have used a small child sized seat over ours and he hasn't had any issues. He is big for his age, though and physically big enough and strong enough to go without one.
Seth doesn't want a thing to do with the potty chair since his brother is using the big one exclusively. He is a little smaller, though, than his brother so I'm thinking that getting one of the child sized seats for our toilet might be a good idea.
To Walmart we'll go. Tra-la-la-la-la.
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RE: The Potty Training Thread - 3/29/2007 6:52:06 PM
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Gosh, I've trained about a hundred kids - 2 boys and a girl last month (23 mos, 19 mos and 24 mos.) and one more next week (19 mos.) - and I *mostly* agree with Manda. The big difference that I notice is that I do NOT let them sit in the bathroom on the toilet until they are "big enough", ie, ready to begin training. I also do not agree with having the potty chair carted all around the house.
Clarification here! I am a Brit, and to us a potty is JUST a potty - the plastic thing like the old Victorian chamber pots. It NEVER means the toilet.
My children NEVER sat on the toilet until they were already potty trained (chamber pot trained) and even then only with a plastic trainer seat.
And btw, we didn't cart a little plastic potty all round the house - one was neatly stationed in each room
I did not pray with my children over potty training - main reason being that I never prayed out loud with my children unless they asked (which is another thread entirely!), another reason being that I did not want them to get the message that they might be letting God down if they didn't use the potty. I am not saying that is what you did, just that mine being mine might have got the wrong idea.
We are the same as Manda over here in Australia, we have plastic little potty's for the kids to sit on and most parents here have a plastic seat that sits on the toilet for when they are ready for that next move.
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RE: The Potty Training Thread - 3/29/2007 6:55:47 PM
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When Nathaniel started training we had a small potty chair but he very quickly wanted to move to the big potty. I never have used a small child sized seat over ours and he hasn't had any issues. He is big for his age, though and physically big enough and strong enough to go without one.
My ds was tall for his age, and strong, but he had anxieties about falling in, and the special seat reassured him.
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