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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 12:52:07 PM
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But probably not medically sound...
I always did wonder how he managed to cut out his heart and throw it into the furnace...
It's like the story of the former French soldier I once read about who had lost an arm in service to his country. Upon seeing Napoleon approach on horseback, he drew his sword and cut off his remaining arm to show the emperor that he was completely devoted to him and his cause.
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 1:24:13 PM
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then it would be kinda logical to think that if someone who lost salvation because of a commited sin, it would be impossible for him too! For you had to sacrifice Jesus all over again.
Who is claiming that one sin makes a person lose thier salvation, not anyone I have read on this thread.
Or is that your POV.
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It somehow used to be what I believed. But I never really thought about it that maybe it was not like that, until I heared that teaching mentioned in my opening-post which made me think about it.
Some responses in this thread gave me the impression that some do. Cause most people here link this teaching with the teaching that we can do what we want to do ( which is not the case )
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 2:19:34 PM
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So you say that God is subject to the laws of physics? NEVER!!!!
If you look at time like a reel of movie film, and we are traveling from frame to frame, who is the guy that is running the projector? Where does he come into the picture? That is how I personally picture God and time.
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May I suggest a realistic perspective of God? You mean a more naturalistic perspective. God is beyond all nature.
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 2:46:19 PM
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So you say that God is subject to the laws of physics? NEVER!!!! Not physics, but reality. God is subject to reality, God can not do anything unreal, like making the future exist at this moment (or the past to exist at this moment).
God can not timetravle.
Before ALL creation, there was a time when God existed. There was a duration of time when creation did not exist. However, If God created time, then there had to be a time before there was a time when time did exist. (do you see how ridiculous it is to think that God created time?)
Question is; How long of a time was there when time did not exist?
The thing here to understand it that there is no reference points to measure the time before creation. Since there is no reference points to base a measurement upon, then all that means is the there is no way to record the time before creation. However, God has always existed, which means that there was a duration of time before all creation, though it was unmeasurable.
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May I suggest a realistic perspective of God? You mean a more naturalistic perspective. God is beyond all nature. No, I mean a realistic perspective. God is not beyond reality.
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 3:59:29 PM
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So you say that God is subject to the laws of physics? NEVER!!!! Not physics, but reality. God is subject to reality, God can not do anything unreal, like making the future exist at this moment (or the past to exist at this moment).
you mean things like creating man, like stopping time and moving a sundial back, like parting the Red Sea, etc. etc.
God is supernatural, not natural.
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 5:04:01 PM
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No, I mean a realistic perspective. God is not beyond reality. Since God created reality He must transcend reality. The universal law of causality demands that every effect have a cause sufficient to produce it. Only the Creator God transcedent to space, matter, and time could have caused our reality of space, matter, and time! Very frankly, Diolectic, if God is not beyond reality, He is NOT God at all!!
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 5:32:25 PM
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So you say that God is subject to the laws of physics? NEVER!!!! Not physics, but reality. God is subject to reality, God can not do anything unreal, like making the future exist at this moment (or the past to exist at this moment). you mean things like creating man No, creation is of realistic, but creating a square circle is unrealistic, which God can not do.
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like stopping time and moving a sundial back That is not stopping time, that is stopping the sun and moving it backward; The movement of the sun is one of the ways we measure the time of day.
If God were to actually stop time, all things including God would have to not exist, for then there would be no duration of anything.
Stoping time = no duration of anything & everything
No duration of anything & everything = stoping time
You all seem to misunderstand the diference between mesuring time & time itself. I am talking about time itself, which is duration. You are all thinking about measuring time, which is counting a set duration of intervals (seconds/minutes...etc...) between a starting point and a finishing point.
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like parting the Red Sea, etc. etc No, that is realistic because it is possible. anything possible is realistic; things which are impossible are unrealistic.
There is nothing in creation that God can not do, because all things are of creation are realistic and posible with God. However, when you start talking about things outside of creation, such as time, that is when you get in trouble with your theology.
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God is supernatural, not natural. True, however, God is realistic, not unrealistic.
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 5:52:12 PM
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No, I mean a realistic perspective. God is not beyond reality. Since God created reality He must transcend reality. God did not create reality, God dwells within reality, He can not create that which He dwells within.
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The universal law of causality demands that every effect have a cause sufficient to produce it. Only the Creator God transcendent to space, matter, and time could have caused our reality of space, matter, and time! Matter and maybe space, sure, but not time.
Tell me, How could God create the duration/time which He is enduring?
If God were to create the duration/time in which He endures, there would have to be no duration before He created it (because he didn't create it yet). If God had no duration before He created it, He would not exist to be enduring.
Do you see how ridiculous that is?
If God were to create the reality in which He dwells within, there would have to be no reality before He created it (because he didn't create it yet). If God had no reality before He created it, He would not exist to be in reality.
Do you see how ridiculous that is?
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Very frankly, Diolectic, if God is not beyond reality, He is NOT God at all!! Sure He would; to be beyond reality is fiction. He would be a realistic God, instead of a fictional god.
Now, God can not forgive our future sins because they haven't happened yet. And to attempt to forgive future sins is to assume that you will sin and this is contrary to love. To assume that you will sin again is an unloving thing to do. It is equivalent of me presuming that you will cheat on your wife. How insulting to you is that?
Do you think that God is insulting to those He loves?
Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things...(1Corinth 13:7)
IOW: Love quietly covers your past sins and believes that you will not sin again because you don't have to & because you love Him too much to sin again. Love also trusts that you will remain.
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 6:29:03 PM
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I don't think time is a limitation or something that hinders anyone. Time is really the opposite of a limitation. Time is the possibility of changing and enduring. Without time there would be no possibility of change and duration. The lack of possibility would be a limit and a hindrance. If there was no time there would be no possibilities at all. Only a frozen state of existence. Possibility is not a limitation but a freedom. We experience time and possibility because God experiences time and possibility. God did not create time. Time is simply the possibility of God enduring and doing whatever he wants at any given moment. God is able to do one thing today and do something else tomorrow. There is nothing that can stop God from enduring and from being living and active. The possibility of God living and acting is part of who God is. The possibility is not something God created. The fact that God is living, active, enduring, etc. is where time comes from. God has made us like him and so now we know have a concept of time as well because we can see things enduring, living, acting, moving, etc. God has memory and gave us memory so we can remember what happened and have a concept and experience of time.
My main point is that time is freedom not a limit. Time is the possibility of action and duration. Time "exists" because nothing is impossible for God. God is living and active. Time is not like a box that we live in. Time is the fact that the walls of the box are busted right open by God's awesomeness. Because of God there is endless possibility This possibility is time. Because of God we have forever. Because of God we have endless time. This is all because of God's awesome nature.
Furthermore, the past and future do not exist. The future is our concept of what may or will happen. The past is our concept of what has happened. Only this present and changing reality exists, not the future and past. We are not jumping from one frame in a film strip to the next and the next and the next. Change is fluid and continuous. There is only one constantly changing frame, not a strip of frozen images that require a machine to simulate real change. The change we experience in reality is real change, not a motion picture simulation of change.
The idea of being "outside of time" would mean being "outside of" possibility. The idea of "transcending time" would mean "transcending possibility". This doesn't mean anything. Things are either possible or not. There is no such thing as something being possible and not possible. So there is no such thing as transcending possibility. Therefore no such thing as transcending time or being outside of time. There would have to be no God in order for time to stop existing.
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 7:30:59 PM
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You can kinda tell when some folks have run out of bible to consider when abstracts and philosophy collide.
Time is created by God. Dave W was right.
Time is relational to created things.
Rotation around the Sun = Year
Rotation of Moon around Earth = Month
Rotation of Earth to the Sun's light -Day.
These relational aspects are what Time is understood by. Since then man has applied math
to these relational aspects and created abstract understandings of Time. Such as Eternity, Milleniums, Centuries etc.
God intended for time to be understood as a part of his creation because he denoted his creative effect by the term "day and Night". These of course concern Sun-Earth relationship.
God is not a created Being and therefore not bound by Time nor does time has any negative effect upon God. God is said to be eternal in reference to time and ancient in relation to mens ages.
So, while some here are arguing philosophically against God creating time. I argue that scripture warrants all men to consider time as a created element because 'bodies'
of the Sun, Moon, Stars, Earth are relational to each other regarding distance and position.
Science has aided us in this case of removing the 'time' element from philosophical to the
physical. Measurements not only presuppose time in regards to physical relation but it shows that physical relations between created bodies effect one another. Time is then also expressed in scripture then as seed time and harvest, sowing and reaping. Time = yome Heb.
But what this proves in regards to future sins....shoot I dont know.
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 7:34:17 PM
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Is it that our individual sins are all forgiven in advance.
Or is it that;
our pre-salvation sins forgiven when we Believe, and sins commited after salvation are forgive when repented of and confessed.
It seems to me that all sins were paid for on the cross, but we can apprehend that forgiveness when we are saved, and when we confess and repent.
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 7:38:50 PM
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our pre-salvation sins forgiven when we Believe, and sins commited after salvation are forgive when repented of and confessed.
It seems to me that all sins were paid for on the cross, but we can apprehend that forgiveness when we are saved, and when we confess and repent. Amen, RC, preach it!
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 7:53:51 PM
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You're saved so long as you live right. That's great news, what a Gospel! God has you on some kind of weird probation. Do and live. He'll completely reverse your Justification (Which cost our Lord his life) upon you committing enough sins. The New Birth? He'll just spiritually abort you if you sin too much. What a Gospel. If thou shalt confess with they mouth the Lord Jesus and Believe in thy Heart that God has raised him from the dead.and pray and not cuss, and not lust and not miss church and not pay tithe and whatever else people can come up with, then thou shalt be Helped. (For if you mess up enough you can lose whatever it is that God has given you) I say again, that is a great Gospel. No wonder the Heavenly myriads of angels sang praises to God. Such joy a Gospel like that may bring(at least to somebody)
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 8:02:41 PM
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You can kinda tell when some folks have run out of bible to consider when abstracts and philosophy collide. It's not philosophy, but reality, common sense.
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Time is created by God. Dave W was right.
Time is relational to created things.
Rotation around the Sun = Year
Rotation of Moon around Earth = Month
Rotation of Earth to the Sun's light -Day. No, those are things by which we measure time. I already explained this.
Time is equivalent to reality.
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God is not a created Being and therefore not bound by Time nor does time has any negative effect upon God. Again, As I said before, even though God did not creat time and He dwells within it He is not "bound by time because He can does not have any time limits. He can not be early or late, being able to be early or late is what it's meant to be "bound by time.
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So, while some here are arguing philosophically against God creating time. I argue that scripture warrants all men to consider time as a created element because 'bodies'
of the Sun, Moon, Stars, Earth are relational to each other regarding distance and position. Yes, God created the things by which we measure time with.
But As I explained before, It is imposible for God to have created time. (does anyone actaully read my posts? If so, please refut them)
If God were to create the duration/time in which He endures, there would have to be no duration before He created it (because he didn't create it yet). If God had no duration before He created it, He would not exist to be enduring.
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But what this proves in regards to future sins....shoot I dont know. It proves that future sins do not exist to firgive.
Furthermore, God will not forgive the unrepentent. Now, how could God forgive the sins that we have not committed yet and how are we suposed to repent of those sins in order for God to forgive them?
It also has to do with God "transending duration" (replaceing the word "duration with the word "time" because they are the same thing) as if God does not undure; or even do anything which has duration.
Do you see how ridiculous that is?
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 8:08:02 PM
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Time is the possibility of change and duration. This possibility has always existed. Therefore time was never created.
God doesn't have to create possibilities. Because God exists there are possibilities.
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 8:37:19 PM
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Consider Genesis 1; "In the beginning God created..."
Consider John 1; "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"
If God existed before "the beginning" then he is outside of time.
Consider also this; From a scientific perspective of reality, Einstein has shown that time, at the speed of light, stands still. Do I fully understand that, no. But science has reinforced that discovery repeatedly. Time is not like a timeline that must keep moving with no other options.
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 8:53:30 PM
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Consider also this; From a scientific perspective of reality, Einstein has shown that time, at the speed of light, stands still. Do I fully understand that, no. But science has reinforced that discovery repeatedly. Time is not like a timeline that must keep moving with no other options. Excellent point, kd4hvz! I'll give you another - light is matter (photons) moving through space over time. Thus God's first creative command brought matter, space and time into existence because there is no light without all three characteristics. But unfortunately our scientific explanation of reality is falling on deaf ears... 
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 10:40:52 PM
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I say God forgives future sins.
Why?
1. Because when Christ redeemed me from the penalty and power of sin and the wrath to come, God considered me reconciled, redeemed, purchased, adopted and then the blessing of becoming a new creation, a Son of God, a Child of God. I am these things even if I sin against God.
2. Sinlessness does not propel me forward to sanctification. That in of itself is a contradiction. I am sanctified while I am yet sin-indwelt because of my mortal body, and because of the imperfection of my knowledge and the imperfection of my acts to obey the word of God.
3. Grace impels me forward toward perfection in regards to Christian maturity, knowledge, obedience and death to self.
Putting these things together I conclude that God has saved me as a 'whole person' not a person who's conversion marked a time where I simply had sins to where I had no sins. But, it is the beginning of a new life for me to live where I am learning and growing at the same time.
When I view God's work from his vantage point I step out of day to day existence and look over the horizon of my life as one "forgiven man". I dont have a sin thats not forgiven, I dont have a life that is unredeemed or a personhood that is yet to be saved. I am saved.
Real-time salvation is lived out with sins committed and sins to be forgiven. But real-time salvation is not the only perspective in which I can look at my life. I can see from scripture that my sins are all forgiven even before I have committed them.
Jud 1:24 Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy,
Jud 1:25 to the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.
With the same faith that believed Jesus to take away my sins at conversion, it says to me that
God is able to present me blameless before his presence at the coming of Christ. Blamelessness is not because Ive not sinned after being a Christian, but because my sins being forgiven are removed and I look forward toward the final glorification of my life.
Those he predestinated....he glorified. In Christ my faith can comprehend...and even apprehend
a glorification to come.
Are all future sins forgiven? Yes they are. But the question arises, are all your own personal sins forgiven? Looking forward in faith, a believer can say yes. Why? Because of the promise of forgiveness.
But to those who live their Christian lives based upon their free-will necessity, all is uncertain.
They must admit that they can quit at anytime, they can live and die in sins and go to hell. They can consider Christ's salvation as only a "potential" salvation. They must maintain that their proficiency in the Christian life is what saved them, not grace or Christ. So, to them there is not future sins forgiven, only a present dread that they dont miss a sin, miss a repentence or miss obedience either in commission or ommission. There's is a full dependence upon cognizent recognition of any and all sins. The future for them is only what they can and must attain.
I say grace is given at regeneration, conversion, sanctification and finally glorification.
1Pe 1:13 Therefore, preparing your minds for action, and being sober-minded, set your hope fully on the grace that will be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
I set my hope on the grace that will be brought to me at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
That revelation of Jesus Christ is His return. It will take grace to enter into the glorious City as well as grace to persevere in this sin-city.
It is grace that inwardly transformes me so that repentance continues until the death of my mortal body. Grace provides forgiveness because its grace, not because my life is sinless, or because I have recognized and repented of every sin within my life.
If I count myself to be perfectly sinless simply because I have repented of every known sin
I set up a standard that is not legal or gracious. God knows all thats in my heart and Ive learned long ago that God works out of my life sinfulness and selfishness I never knew I had. But it was there. This inward sinfulness is revealed by the working of God. Just because God has not worked to expose more of your sinfulness do not assume it is not there.
Depend upon grace not introspective self-justification.
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/5/2010 4:18:35 AM
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The hard questions one must ask ones self.
1. What am I depending on for my salvation?
Ansr. Christ.....
Then What has Christ done for you?
Snsr. Christ has forgiven all of my sins.
Then are all your sins forgiven in the past and in the future?
Ansr. Only past not future, because I am not forgiven where no sin is admitted.
Then are you to know all your sins that you have committed in a day?
Ansr. Yes, because unless I confess them and repent of them, God will not forgive them.
Then how is it that when catastrophies occur, and calamites fall upon us, that so many things happen, words are said, thoughts are done, acts are done, attitudes and motives are revealed. Where are you able to secure every sin that has been committed in thought, word or deed?
Ansr. By remembrance of them.
Are you absolutely sure that youve confessed all and have genuinely repented of all without any question. If you were to undergo strict interrogation by the Spirit of God could you say perfectly that youve not missed anything?
Ansr. I cannot verify that I have perfect recollection of every thought word or deed that was sinful and would condemn me at the day of judgment.
Then, how did you come by such a practice of seeking to remember, confess and repent of every sin youve done?
Ansr. By the word of God.
Which word of God did require you to absolutely depend upon your own introspective knowledge of your heart and mind?
Ansr. By that teaching of Paul to examine myself and by that teaching John to confess my sins.
Did Paul or John require you to depend upon your own internal investigation?
Ansr. No, I am supposed to be dependant upon the revelation of God's Spirit to administer the word of God.
Then why do you seek to maintain your position in Christ by your own self-examination?
Ansr. Because If I do not, I may die in my sins.
Has not Jesus said that him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out?
Ansr. Because that only pertains to conversion.
Do you mean to say that Jesus will cast you out after you have been called a child of God?
Ansr. Yes.
Why do you suppose Jesus would cast you out after he has purchased you and redeemed you and given you the Holy Spirit the promise of eternal inheritance?
Ansr. Because of my sins.
Didnt Jesus go to prepare a place for you who believe?
Ansr. Yes
Didnt Jesus pray that you would be sanctified by the truth?
Ansr. Yes
Then how is it that Jesus provided his life for you, purchased you to himself and prepares a place for you to live and yet you have no assurance that Jesus will continue to work his grace into your heart while purging you of your sinfulness?
Ansr. I only know that I may die in my sins.
I say your faith is placed not upon Christ to perfect you, but your faith is placed upon your own efforts to perfect yourself and maintain yourself. You are under the bondage of the law.
How may I know that I am going to heaven being yet sinful?
Because God knows how far he will perfect you, He is the author and perfector of your faith. God knows when he will take you unto himself, and his grace is sufficient to bring you safely to heaven and into the Fathers judgment with blamelessness and joy.
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/5/2010 6:44:04 AM
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Diolectic, your statement "If God created time, then there had to be a time before there was a time when time did exist" I agree is ridiculous. I will ask you a similar (equally silly) question: Which continent was God standing on when He created the earth? It is not unlike "If God can do anything, can He make a rock so big that He Himself cannot lift it?" Unfair question
You are limiting God by your inability to accept something other that what you have experienced. You say that God is limited by reality. I say God created "reality" and entirely transcends it. So yes, He could create a square circle. He may have to alter some of the fundamental principles of our existance but He could do it.
As such to get this back on the OP topic: God exists in the eternal NOW. A million years ago is NOW to Him. A million years in the future is NOW to Him. All sins to Him are NOW. Present. Current.
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/5/2010 6:52:05 AM
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@Gloryandgrace
Awesome explanation. Thanks for taking the time 
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/5/2010 9:07:07 AM
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Saved34
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Again, As I said before, even though God did not creat time and He dwells within it He is not "bound by time because He can does not have any time limits. He can not be early or late, being able to be early or late is what it's meant to be "bound by time. Dioclectic, what is wrong with you and your partner Benjoseph? Why are you guys just wrangling off words and spouting things that you know nothing about? God is God, you are finite. You will never grasp God scientifically. Saying God did not create time is in direct opposition to Holy Scripture.
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
God did not say "I WAS", He said "I AM". Go back as far as you like and place your marker, and God will have been there from ancient time. Time is a measurement for us finite humans. God is bound by no such restrictions. Gravity, air, time, anything,all things were created by him. You guys are falsely representing Almighty God in this thread.
1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
1Ti 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith
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2Ti 2:4 No one serving in the military gets mixed up in civilian matters, for his aim is to please his commanding officer.
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/5/2010 9:24:05 AM
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rcjames
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ORIGINAL: Saved34
You're saved so long as you live right. That's great news, what a Gospel! God has you on some kind of weird probation. Do and live. He'll completely reverse your Justification (Which cost our Lord his life) upon you committing enough sins. The New Birth? He'll just spiritually abort you if you sin too much. What a Gospel. If thou shalt confess with they mouth the Lord Jesus and Believe in thy Heart that God has raised him from the dead.and pray and not cuss, and not lust and not miss church and not pay tithe and whatever else people can come up with, then thou shalt be Helped. (For if you mess up enough you can lose whatever it is that God has given you) I say again, that is a great Gospel. No wonder the Heavenly myriads of angels sang praises to God. Such joy a Gospel like that may bring(at least to somebody)
Trying to overlook the cynacism of your post, it does bring up a good question;
If this absolute security and all sins already forgiven and forgotten they why did Paul write this;
(1Co 9:26) So then I run, not as if I were uncertain. And so I fight, not as one who beats the air.
(1Co 9:27) But I buffet my body, and lead it captive, lest proclaiming to others I myself might be rejected.
Someone should have told Paul that it did not matter what he did as it was already forgotten. Here the poor Apostle is beating his body, forcing captivity on his flesh, so that he might not be rejected by God (Paul was concerned about the completion of his salvation).
Poor man, struggling against his flesh, when according to many; it just don't matter because it is already forgiven.
Thanks
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